It is the SP 2, Survival Knife. Otherwise, the serial number might not be able to do so much for you. It may add to your history file. generate quite a few questions so we hope this is a help to a few folks. stagged Rosewood with brass pins, S-6541 marked Guarded Version stagged Rosewood with brass Regards, Both have leather grips. repro has a very short and sharply curved false edge. Finally, the knives I had would not hold a decent edge but may have had a sufficient edge in a land survival situation. That latest acquisition also had a sheath lacking the metal back and tip of the sheath, but appears original in all respects. Camillus wanted to send the knife with a hack saw blade attached to It is currently still in inventory with the DoD through the GSA. This is an early Marbles design with a Keen Kutter etched in blade and tang marked Sharpleigh / I have the knife and sheath, but not the sharpener. M4 Bayonet Production Aerial Cutlery Company: 91,898 Camillus Cutlery Company: 332,698 W.R. Case & Sons Cutlery Co.: 224,764 Imperial Knife Company: 917,894 Kinfolks, Inc: 119,702 Pal Blade Company: 268,000 Utica Cutlery Company: 515,000 survival kit knife with straight line marking. Frank reports that Marbles was supplying the Ideal to the Government as early as 1934. It is further described as "Used in all types of emergency kits." Keep up the great work. We were allowed to keep them when dicharged. The intended use of the knife is for pilots as required in survival situations. Can't recall seeing. Today, heres all you need to know about dating your ka-bar knife as effectively as possible. Since the knife was not making it to only American troops but the allies, the demand was genuinely high. Camillus Kabar Knife History. Appreciating the persistence you put into your site and in depth information you provide. I have a MK2 copy that I bought in the US Army AAFES exchange in West Germany in the mid-1980s. All About Pocket Knives is a knife related resource center for buying, selling, researching, and discussing all things knives, Post knife. He started importing and selling German-made knives to his U.S. audience. The U.S. Defense Department published to private industry requirements for a standardized fixed blade knife to issue to pilots and aircrews of the various service branches. It is a Japanese made copy of the US Air Force Survival knife and was sold through the US military exchanges. The contracts were 1942, & 1943. The current edition of this document is Aerospace Standard SAE-AS-8662. This resulted in a long line of impressive, sturdy knives that have become vintage and collectors items today. I dont believe they were pinned in that era. Rosewood and steel domed rivets. unknown variant like the Marbles above. I've seen and/or handled eight bright finished examples besides the one I own and your pictures are the first examples of the parkerized ones. To make things more simple, the initial production of the 5-inch hunting knives were bright blades for most all contractors. companies to design the Para knife. 5684 S50: Dated 8/21/1945 this design uses the Mark 2 blade, 2023 Cuts & Carves - Designed by O. Christopher, How to Date a Camillus Knife Effectively (1902 2007), How to Date Klein Knives to A Specific Year or Era (5 Methods), How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice), How to Date a Cattaraugus Knife (5 Methods Explained), How to Tell If A 1918 Trench Knife Is Real (5+ Unique Methods), How to Date a Kissing Crane Knife (Both Old and New), How to Tell the Age of a Marbles Knife by Yourself (5 Methods). Camillus Cutlery Company won the contract and made the first production run on Jan. 27, 1943. Must have forgotten to take it out when I updated the piece with the second bullet point, Your email address will not be published. I assume was the same for my brethren in the fixed wing as well. Although it would appear that their presence in the theater of operations was mostly due to them being part of certain aircraft survival kits. Adolph Kastor, the founder of the Camillus cutlery company, came to the U.S.A at the age of 14. Dealers and retailers of the knife usually let older catalogs rot, lost them, or simply misplaced them when a new batch of Ka-bar knives came in. It is said to have been used on knives manufactured from the early 1930s to the mid 1940s. and the empty draws. Here is an earlier & longer pilot (aircrew) survival knife by Camillus aka, the Folding Bolo- Army Air Corp Emergency Machete a.jpg Army Air Corp Emergency Machete.jpg Here it is folded- Army Air Corp Emergency Machete j.jpg You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. I appreciate you writing this post and the rest of the site is very good. I believe youre more interested in dating the vintage ones, though, so the other era guides on that list are best suited to your needs. The TL-29 electrician's knife was originally an issue item manufactured by the Camillus Cutlery Company. Dated 1/25/1943 on the order. by coffeecup Sun May 26, 2013 9:03 am, Post Knife collectors and dealers should still have those catalogs if you can find them. Mikedon thanks for posting the pictures. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). Currently, the military-grade Air Force Survival Knife is only manufactured and sold by the Ontario Knife Company. the markings are all the same and in the same place as the originals. If you dont go to knife shows, you might also have some luck with veteran knife collectors in your locale. It was probably stashed there by some kid whose dad was a Navy pilot. If you look closely at it the tang stamp is for an early example of that fullered blade, and so far is the only example of one with this style hilt that I've run across. Western made two: one with a 6-inch blade, the G46-6, and one with a 5-inch blade, the G46-5. It was later made with an etch on the blade "Sportsman" If you have some method to receive photos, let me know and Ill forward the photos. Thanks for all the photos. After more than two decades (1897) in this business, importation costs for the knives were getting higher and wiping out Adolphs profits. I personally looked into every draw and found these We place the WW II era For some reason or other I always thought the bright, lack of USN, Camillus blades were a late production, or post war variation. Never knew that opinions could be this varied. I will highly recommend this site! I not sure where I got it but I undoubtedly purchased it at a local sporting goods or general store such as Gibsons Discount in the late 60s or early 70s. the font is a bit off but hard to tell apart if you do not have the two Today, we keep finding fewer and fewer people who fought in WWII around. After the war, Camillus soon shifted back to civilian cutlery, but they were now facing stiff competition from overseas companies. Kent Sportsman's knife with stagged Rosewood grips and Below are some timelines for you to explore:Tang StampStamp DesignExtra MarkingsDateUnion Cutlery Co., Tidioute, Pa;Union Cut. See Picture for identification. Even if the Ontario Knife Company discontinues their production and the DoD phases them out of their inventories, the knife will be around for commercial purchase. They are hard to find. He believes these were ordered in 04/05/44. More formal details weren't adopted until the close of 1943, this leaves at least 6 months of production and ordering of materials from contractors. By Knife #1 and #2 were never found in the factory collection years ago, this The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. The knife is about 12 / 30.5 cm overall; blued blade is about 6-15/16 /17.7 cm. Mine is an old C make still kept in my truck. I believe before it made its way into the survival kit it went on the ALSE vest. S-6708 RW marked Guardless fish knife stamped Krome Plate, stagged Rosewood with brass pins Same as above but handle more rounded. View all posts by Major Hykr. Thank you. There was a spin off copy cat comp. Heavily used Camillus hunter, possible returned to the It is WW II era and dual tang marked and etched. I know how well "Orvet" makes customs. "S" Cards and drawings, dates, etc, associated with these knives Valor is the name of the US company that retailed the 998. This is usually where I first look at when dating knives. Thanks for filling in the blanks. Bone stag and CR guard made in It is kind of interesting that the concepts the BuOrd used to formulate the design they wanted for the Mark 1 came from two knives, Pal actually made the Mark 1 closest to the drawing. Both have black plastic pommel. by glennbad Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:48 am, Post Thus, this knife became obsolete for its original intended use when the majority of military aircraft incorporated composite materials. Thus, it took special care and attention to identify which company made which one, before going deeper to ascertain the date period around when the knife was made. The other contractors made the Mark 1 in their own convenient way but conform to the basic guidelines which were granted approval. From the picture you can see that the length of the hilts are different. Made in September 1941. The former refers to the knife being a normal US army fighting knife, while the latter identifies the Ka-bar knives issued to the US Navy. When you have a knife that meets the specs above, it could only have been made in 1944 or 1945. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/295814-5-inch-hunting-and-sheath-knives/?hl=%2Bpilots+%2Bknife&do=findComment&comment=2377348, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/111421-odd-camillus-usn-mark-1/?hl=%2Bpilots+%2Bknife&do=findComment&comment=830644, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/200448-questions-on-a-bright-blade-camillus-mark-1/. brass rivets, Another Kent with stagged bone and small brass domed The gray painted Pommel indicates that it is issued to the Navy. He was a family friend! You would often find knife collectors and enthusiasts who know a lot about these blades at knife shows. Unknown Hunting Knife: Kent was a trade name used by F W There is a variation of a Parkerized blade Camillus MARK 1 with no branch of service markings, (Cole III, pg. It is well preserved and stored away since my discharge in 1966. I have a one of the knives that came out of a survival kit. It appears that in 2006, Ontario Knife Company became the current vendor to the DoD of the Jet Pilot Survival Knife under the National Stock Number (NSN): 7340-00-098-4327. The holes in the hand guard were used to tie the knife to the scabbard which was in turn then tied to the knife pouch or survival vest. Carried in Vietnam we doubt it. It doesn't sit flush my guess is it was replaced. factory reference collection. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Origins Of A New Survival Knife for Military Aircrews, The Air Force Survival Knife Introduced to the Commercial Market, Design Features for the Air Force Survival Knife, The blade is to be a through tang blade blanked from AISI 1095 steel conforming to MIL-S-8665, The blade will be tempered to a Rockwell Hardness of C50-C55. However, Barlows have been around for much longer than that and should be considered a bigger collectors item. Now, that said, a few cautionary words that I put on the kissing crane knife dating piece too: Make sure you look for a reputable expert to get this done for you. USMC next to the current repro which graphically shows the difference. Woolworths, S3388: When the Marines formed the ParaMarines they needed a Did your Camillus knife go to the war? by Colonel666 Sun May 26, 2013 1:43 am, Post The new design that was adopted was the 6 inch JPK. Has can openers, awl, driver. I would, thus, rather you look at the knife itself rather than trying to use the sheath to make a judgment. This was one of Camillus produced the Jet Pilot Survival Knife with a 5-inch blade from 1961-2006. I have a Camillus USA 5 fixed blade knife that was issued to me between 1964-1965 as a flight crew member in Patrol Squadron 8, VP-8 Anti submarine warfare squadron. This knife looks a lot like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real quick. The genesis of the Air Force Survival Knife goes back to the 1950s at the dawn of the jet age. The Newer one is by Camillus the older one I got given to by my uncle, who got it from someone in Vietnam. . The one on the left there is a bevel at the top of the grip. Some extremely valid points! and special units so many time we almost gave up the argument on the subject. the M3 and the M4 reproductions. Here you will find information and tips on outdoor activities, wilderness safety and survival, equipment, first aid, health, and other related items of interest to hikers, backpackers, and other outdoor enthusiasts. Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. Co., Olean N.Y.Straight lineNilFrom 1909Union Cut. You are able to get the knife because it is dummy corded to you. 1937. Im not a fan of social media and dont use it. 5684 L77A: Camillus tried to talk Naval Ordnance into using This does not impact the price of the item youre buying and it supports me to keep creating the content that you love. The knife was originally designed in 1957 as a joint issue between the Navy Weapons Bureau and the Marbles Arms Company. Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. the Camillus designs submitted for testing. During the war, they produced over 17 million knives of various type and spec for the military, more than any other knife maker. Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: If youre in the market for a vintage Camillus knife, make sure you know how to tell the real deal apart from the repros. Another part of the group has However, based on the information that I have collected, vetted, and coupled with my own experience with the DoD procurement and testing process, here is the basic history of this knife. They did not adopt this knife, as we know the M3 was Very nice! When speaking with them, make sure youre clear that youre not looking to sell. The first Ka-bar knife was manufactured by the Tidioute Cutlery Company (in Pennsylvania) which came into play in 1897. The guard is stamped CAMILLUS on one side, U.S.N. And after the war, they apparently were interested in fulfilling the new post-war military scout knife specification, MIL-K-818, and . rivets, Kent Sportsman with etching and stagged bone and large by ken6 Wed May 29, 2013 11:11 pm, Post selected. Buying via the links on CutsandCarves could earn us a commission on the sale. markings on the knives or the special way the knife was built. The second question that arises concerning some of the features of this knife is the purpose of the two holes in the blade guard. However, because of Marbles premature manufacturing of the knife before it was awarded a government contract, the rest of the world gained the privilege to own this knife. 27. Camillus 5 inches Jet Pilot's Survival knife on top of Camillus 6 inches Jet Pilot's Survival knife 1971 marked Camillus 5 inches Jet Pilot Survival knife complete with scabbard. S-5382 Half guard prototype with scaler back and 3 small by orvet Thu May 30, 2013 2:01 pm, Post I have one but cant find anything about it. Some Comments on the Design Features of the Air Force Survival Knife, Further Developments of the Air Force Survival Knife. Production date date 3/25/1943. I also personally packed these knives up 5679 L36: WW II Army Air Corps knife. The good news is that I found multiple ways to determine how old your Camillus knife is. S-4007 hand marked on the blade, Guardless and serrated I own one of these knives and recently became interested in its history when one was found in a japanese built WWII tunnel system in a mountain in Northern Luzon, Philippines. I suspect it is Vietnam era from its condition. The sheath shall be made of leather in compliance with Federal Standard KK-L-271, The sheath leather shall be 8/64-inch-thick. Not all Ka-bar knives will have a serial number, but checking this fine detail would make sense where possible. This is a testimony to the ingenuity of the design team that developed the knife at the Marbles company. So far I have not found the S card for the M3 pommel and guard to improve their knife and help conserve parts. 3-line; non-italic fonts; short underline, 3-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.), 3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italics. I have not A second fungicidal product was registered in 1967. For all that good, though, some bad actors have learned how to make fake Camillus knives and pass them off as vintage. In 1962, the knife was modified by reducing the blade to 5" in length. My question is based upon the fact that the handle is not the leather disks type that Im used to seeing as Ive owned several, this knife in question has black plastic or rubber washers on the handle instead. The Camillus knives went to the war (WWI & WWII), was handcrafted for some presidents, and lived more than 100 years before the company shut down. For a company that produced such a knife that seemed in high demand, they must have been poor at the business management side of things. The condition of the leather sheath is what would one would expect to be from late 1960s to early 1970s vintage as it was found at the time, which has not degraded since. With the help for great photos and full text on telling them Theyre not like the other vintage war knives Ive dated because theyre not fighting knives. Furthermore, standardization of equipment reduces costs upon the logistical system. However, it was particularly designed for use by forces in need of a close combat knife, such as Airborne Units and Army Rangers, so these units received priority for the M3 at the start of . You could find either the USMC or USN MK2 marking on the knife. The Air Force Survival Knife is an excellent knife. Above we feature the Camillus USMC reproduction. and took them with me when the auction was over. Later, when we received individual survival and flotation gear, the knife scabbard was sometimes sewn into the pocket where a .38 special was stored during Vietnam days on the survival vest. by jerryd6818 Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:06 am, Return to Camillus Cutlery Collector's Forum, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Thus, the current standards, methods, and procedures were not necessarily applicable to the procurement process that brought this knife into existence. Ken Spielvogel - The "Accumulator" of knives- "The Talking Knives". By contrast, the current DoD procurement process is much more refined and regulated. Still,, Read More How to Date Klein Knives to A Specific Year or Era (5 Methods)Continue, The kissing crane knives are some of the most well-made, long-lasting, and historical knives that we can still find around today. A Kent marked with Indian Trail and large brass rivets, J-9 marked is another Kent prototype with domed steel We see this one constantly on sale as a "Vietnam Seems vagrant has an orange handled knife with a small blade protruding from it on picture #79. It was common for everything in a survival vest to have a lanyard. Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, its a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. Entertaining and informing. If the blade measures 6 inches and it is an original, then it may have been manufactured before 1961. Glen, The Camillus factory drawing for the fullered blade knife identifies it as "Our # 5679 L 36 Hunting Knife with Mosser sheath." The sharpening stone size shall be 3 inches long, 7/8-inch-wide, and 1/4 inch thick. With areas like Germany, Italy, China, and the rest of the world getting the praises for coming up with truly timeless knives, the USA takes the glory for this one. Camillus was so successful a knife brand that other knifemakers contracted them to manufacture their blades. storage. I just bought this knife from Ontario Knife Company. At the time of sale, the business was profitable but the new buyer ran it into the ground once again. MK2 on the other. It doesn't get any better then this S-449 A and S-449B Prototype Hunting Knives with different Co., Olean N.Y.Straight lineNil1897 1909Union Cut. Ive bookmarked your site and Im including your RSS feeds to my Google account. You pull the knife out but drop it. apart. But if its an Asian imitation then its hard to determine when it was made. This was where he first got a taste for cutlery, which would later shape the man he became and the company he launched. Enjoy and See you on the trail! They is a lot more ingredients to the batch of pudding for these knives. I do know that it has the serrated spine and in outward appearance may be an original except for the handle. If you dont find your stamp and logo from there, use the official stamp/ logo guide from the official Ka-bar website as seen below: There is a lot that you can tell about the Ka-bar knife from the markings on the blade. These rubber-gripped bayonets are thought to have come from Asia, possibly from South Korea. Another Kent with stagged Rosewood, brass pins and etched. the markings are all the same and in the same place as the originals. Above that it simply says "Army Air Forces". The Camillus Cutlery company also produced: Their production capacity was expanded during the second world war when they had to manufacture a lot of high-quality knives to meet the needs of the soldiers shipping off to war. brass pins holding stagged bone over black plastic liners. Model number 5686. You are correct. I agree. No date or manufacturer is stamped anywhere. Your email address will not be published. Powered by Invision Community, US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY. The knife has been in continuous service with the Department of Defense for over sixty years. Fortunately for us, Camillus changed their stamps enough to map each one to different periods. This is when Camillus re-designed their screw top pommel. Thanks for sharing. larger pommel version we all know. Otherwise, it would be much easier to go through their files to find out which Ka-bar knives were made when. They are back again and better then ever. If possible, seek the opinion of multiple experts before making a solid decision. Make sure to have a line of processes that they took to arrive at whatever timeframe they gave you. If you can find old knife catalogs, theyre one of the best ways to date and identify your Camillus knives. Speechless Q31: An almost twin to item number two above but this one Listed here we will discuss a few items that I sent some pictures I have of mine, Major. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Not Adopted, Case and Catt got the Q knife It isnt worth that much plus its actually a pretty good knife. Moreover, the requirement for having a standard survival knife for pilots and aircrews across the DoD was due to economic considerations and budgeting constraints at the time which fostered standardization across the military services. The way that Camillus 5733 knives are marked can give us a general idea of when the knife was made. I dont know if it has any markings that would help determine where and when manufactured. Suggestions, Questions, Comments, Concerns, Alerts, Etc Member Store Tips, Tricks & Instructions, Camillus Pilot Survival Knives [long or short], Re: Camillus Pilot Survival Knives [long or short]. Your email address will not be published. These influences upon the procurement system tempered the DoD design features of the knife. This prototype is date 5/13/1954. The knives will be sold as a group only. existence. The leather will be treated with para-nitrophenol fungicide. Later, after service members began returning from Vietnam, the military-grade issued knives began to be seen on the market. Pilot's Survival Knife. with steel domed rivets. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I'll leave it at this, there is some conjecture out there on what these knives might or might not be. The bit telltale difference is the sharpened false edge. compares with this knife. knives under boxes and paperwork. in the handle grip from the looks of it. It is marked just U.S.N. camillus knife identification. Just found my dads Camillus NY made knife and wanted your opinion about whether to send it to Ontario or whoever for refurbishment or just leave it the way it is. It is marked U.S.N over MARK I. Plus the rubber is just about the best thing for keeping a knife grippy even after you've gotten into messy parts of processing game. scabbard marked with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is a current reproduction J63: Army Parachutist Knife. This knife fits in with FYI, in case your interested, the Government specification sheath for this knife is still available. large bakelite pommel and multiple spacers. Ontarios model became the Aircrew Survival and Egress Knife, System (ASEK) based on the published requirements by the U.S. Army. that when Camillus got the bid for the Jet Pilot Knife Marbles made a deal These are the remaining items that were left in the Camillus factory show Thanks for your work. Enjoy! The knife company was resurrected in 2009, and they continue to use the last tang stamp till today. Bright blade (no property mark) initial production referred to as a 5-inch hunting knife, bright blade USN now referred to as the Mark 1, USN ricasso stamped with parked blade (corrosion resistant treatment compliance), late procurements with applied MARK 1 ricasso stampings. You mentioned the Ontario KNife Company briefly in the article. I'm just not in possession of good references to documentation that would support my opinion yet. Only the same "Camillus N.Y." markings, either on the normally found pile or reverse side of the blade, or stamped on the Name side or front of the knife. Great knife for camping or scouting I carried mine on walks in the woods. You must log in or register to reply here. Each contractor had their personal signatures, better described as authorized deviations. Camillus Cuda Bolt Spring Assisted Knife Gray (3.625" Black) CM19080 MSRP: $50.99 Our Price: $43.95 Add to Cart Camillus Erupt Spring Assisted Knife Black GRN (2.5" Black) Our Price: $33.95 Add to Cart Camillus HEAT Spring Assisted Knife Black GFN (3.5" Black) CM19167 Our Price: $55.95 Add to Cart Heres another variant knife that Frank Trzaska mentions in his 6/01/2002 knife knotes. I was hoping to find the history of these knives, along with pics of the different versions and years. Many people think this was when Adolph founded the Camillus knife company, but that is not so. blade with S numbers. The only way to stay in the knife business and keep running a profit was to start making and selling them domestically. Before this requirement, knives of several types were procured by the individual branches of the military and dispensed to their members. 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