Webplanet earth. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. I suspect not.". What about Sirius? In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) All rights reserved. ", Investigating From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. by Liam McDaid. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. For Siwa, I called Dr. Farouk EI-Baz of the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and his maps showed it at 25.50 degE, 29.22 degN (that's the oasis center, with the modern town about ten kilometers SE). (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. 1978. The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. Bullard, Thomas. Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. But that doesn't stop Temple. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Temple does not argue that contact with an advanced civilization is the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B, but he indicates that he personally finds the theory of alien contact more convincing. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. Griaule, Marcel. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). Figure 2. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. Except that this isnt the original Dogon drawing. Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. The position of the they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. "He sent me the manuscript which I found unreadable. The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. 30-31. First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned But from whom? earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. Perhaps the source was Temple The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Minor Arcana, The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Major Arcana, My Reading with Kristine from Psychic Source Review, Get the best Psychic Reading Ever Best Psychics Ive Reviewed, The Cathars: the struggle for and of a new Church, The Strange Stone Discs of Baian-Kara-Ula, William Blake: What paintings of visions come. In 1977 two radio astronomers were interested enough in the Sirius mystery to direct their telescopes at the star system in hopes of picking up any artificial radio signals. Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The Dogon People Revisited.. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific I wonder. So much for the Nommos. sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. stream York: Random House, 1995). He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious They seem to have [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? seem curious. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. [15] An apparent "third star" observed in the 1920s is now confirmed as a background object,[16] something previously suggested by Holberg in 2007: Benest and Duvent found that stable orbits with a period of up to six years exist around Sirius A. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. 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" + t); Want to know your future? Seeking Clarity? sources for Temple's story. Am I getting too picky here? from black Egyptians who had telescopes. Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Figure 1. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Damanhur is 521.0 km from Siwa and 625.9 km from Thebes, a deviation of 20%. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. ch. One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. Is Sirius a Triple Star?, Adams, H. H. 1983. knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other That in itself is extraordinary.". So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. When I set him a draft of a sharply critical review written for Astronomy magazine, he replied with a blistering counterattack in a letter to my editor: "A virulent attack against my honesty, integrity, and intelligence," he called my review. The introduction to his second edition is so full of paranoid theorizing,2 that although it is quoted extensively and interpolated with favorable comments by Michael Bara (or possibly Richard Hoagland), the most extreme conspiracy claims are omitted.3. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? 7 0 obj the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. by Philip Coppens. Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. civilization. So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. The Dogons were not isolated. Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". contact with some ugly, amphibious* However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New Temples % For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. Sirius figures prominently in the Dogon myths. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. interpreter. September 1976 saw Read Skeptic on Apple or Android devices, or on PC or Mac via PocketMags.com. %PDF-1.4 Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. It's almost certainly a hoax. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. Sirius But didn't Isaac Asimov check over the book for just such factual errors, as the publisher claims? this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 "There is some evidence," he points out, "that the Dogon like to frame pictures with an ellipse, and that Temple may be mistaken about the claim that in Dogon mythology the planets and Sirius-B move in elliptical orbits." All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. The antiquity of the Dogon astronomy is not so obvious as ancient astronaut enthusiasts claim but neither has it been disproved. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. Temples response to criticism has so far been evasive. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. some 8.6 light years from earth. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. 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